Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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Altec Best
OK I will just use the 6" pipe without the flares if this doesn't work with these pipes (He said the flares aren't that big) I haven't seen them yet (To Measure Precisely). I'll send them back,and I'll go back to the rectangular vent of 16.875" x 3" x 4" length. Done Deal !
GM so much for all your Kind,Gracious help and support for which this project wouldn't have been possible.
OK, you couldn't find any 6" Schedule 40 at Home Depot or similar? Bummer. Just looked up what you bought and about had a heart attack at what four cost. $133+ buys the average DIYer a lifetime supply of 6" vents: JM Eagle Foamcore 6 in. x 10 ft. PVC Sch. 40 Plain-End Drain Pipe - 57752 at The Home Depot
You're welcome! Not really, there's plenty of others around that could have 'waltzed you down the aisle' just as well, or better, than me. ;)
GM
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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Altec Best
GM, WRT the ports Roman said they arrived and they look more decorative (The Flares)than anything else with the vents (Tubes) being 6".
Well, according to the PE blurb, the flare diameter is ~2.345x larger than the 6" pipe, so combined with the short ('fast') flare rate, it may look cosmetic, but it isn't acoustically, i.e. it will affect the pipe's length.
GM
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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GM
Well, according to the PE blurb, the flare diameter is ~2.345x larger than the 6" pipe, so combined with the short ('fast') flare rate, it may look cosmetic, but it isn't acoustically, i.e. it will affect the pipe's length.
GM
OK That's all I needed to Know !! :thankU: Thanks GM ! ! And you don't know How Welcome your input really is.
I really appreciate it as well Thanks !!
Rectangular it Is !! 16.875" x 3" x4" length ! I guess it will be front Baffle Mounted/Cut !
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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Altec Best
This reminds me, you made the truncated back wider than I meant, so once shoved into the corners they will create a fairly large, lossy Helmholtz resonator tuned down around 60 Hz, so will probably need to be stuffed or a foam insert attached to the rear of the cab to damp it.
GM
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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GM
Just looked up what you bought and about had a heart attack at what four cost. $133+ buys the average DIYer a lifetime supply of 6" vents:
JM Eagle Foamcore 6 in. x 10 ft. PVC Sch. 40 Plain-End Drain Pipe - 57752 at The Home Depot
Nope in my area both Lowes/Home Depot don't carry any 6" pvc piping. Max size they carry is 4"
You're welcome! Not really, there's plenty of others around that could have 'waltzed you down the aisle' just as well, or better, than me. ;)
GM
Exactly ! That's why I have been asking,just to make sure 100% before I make a mistake and (Cut Them) and then can't return them if need be.
I personally feel that when completed they will sound Awesome and worth the effort/expense that I'm putting into this. :2thumbsup: Thank You to all the guys that Helped or provided info for me ! ;)
WRT the 5" back I have a big 8" base molding that goes all around the room on the floor with a crown molding at the ceiling.So decided to make the back a couple inches wider and will be well damped in that back 5" piece maybe 3" of insulation along with the top and sides near the woof's.I will test to see if the whole cabinet needs dampening,if not it will be at the bottom of cab that will not receive the insulation but top and sides up high near woof's will receive most of the insulation.
Added: GM I will check with a Plumbing suppy house that is a long shot but they are said to be able to get stuff not normally carried by other local Co's if I can't get schedule 40 which is usually gray incolor in my area in 6" then the rectangular port will be my course of action.
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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Altec Best
So No Good ? ?
There's nothing wrong with them, just they simply aren't needed for this app since the dual ~6" PVC pipes are big enough to have an inaudibly low vent mach at 150 W rated power at 25 Hz and a whole lot cheaper. Think of it this way, each driver has a vent with an area (CSA) greater than Altec's typical 2.5" 11" slot vent which we know was designed for low distortion in high power prosound apps, so normally overkill in a HIFI/HT app.
If you want to indulge in a bit of conspicuous consumption just because you can though ;), be the first on your block to have a couple of slick looking passive radiators (PRs) $$custom made$$ that theoretically gets you a bit higher bass SQ as a technical justification. :D
GM
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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Added: GM I will check with a Plumbing suppy house that is a long shot but they are said to be able to get stuff not normally carried by other local Co's if I can't get schedule 40 which is usually gray incolor in my area in 6" then the rectangular port will be my course of action.
WRT the 5" back I have a big 8" base molding that goes all around the room on the floor with a crown molding at the ceiling.So decided to make the back a couple inches wider and will be well damped in that back 5" piece maybe 3" of insulation along with the top and sides near the woof's.I will test to see if the whole cabinet needs dampening,if not it will be at the bottom of cab that will not receive the insulation but top and sides up high near woof's will receive most of the insulation.
So what are you saying? That you have no Home Depot or similar near you? I mean if they don't stock it like they do here, all you have to do is order anything they list, but don't normally stock, and usually get it within a day or two, plus IME, you can order anything any of their suppliers have access to regardless of whether they offer it on-line and/or in stores and again IME, usually ~the same/cheaper than buying it elsewhere once all things are considered.
Around here at least, Home Depot, Lowe's are basically 'one stop shop' as long as you don't need it like 'right now' and when close together as mine are, extremely competitive overall and especially so when ordering contractor quantities such as a homeowner might for major repairs/upgrades Vs another provider that stocks it.
Understood and for sure, one of each parallel internal cab walls needs to be damped as well as any bracing in-between them, but I was referring to the triangular, lossy tuned pipe cavity the speaker will create once shoved hard into the corner that will probably need to be damped.
GM
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
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GM
If you want to indulge in a bit of conspicuous consumption just because you can though ;), be the first on your block to have a couple of slick looking passive radiators (PRs) $$custom made$$ that theoretically gets you a bit higher bass SQ as a technical justification. :D
Well I've come too far to go Half-A** now ! :D
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So what are you saying? That you have no Home Depot or similar near you?
No I have Home Depot right down the street,they don't carry it in this area. I'm sure it will have to be ordered but I'm going to go to Beebe Plumbing Supply they should have it.Here's a clip of the link which tells you they don't carry in this area.I also went to the store they have nothing in 6" pipe,fittings,nothing,but this Home D. Sucks ! Worst store I have ever seen,and the help there leaves a little to be desired.I don't think they can find their way to the restroom let alone what I'm looking for ! If you need to find something in that store you are on your own ! :D
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Understood and for sure, one of each parallel internal cab walls needs to be damped as well as any bracing in-between them, but I was referring to the triangular, lossy tuned pipe cavity the speaker will create once shoved hard into the corner that will probably need to be damped.
GM
[/quote] Yes it won't be completly up against the wall due to the thick baseboard.I can get some foam to damp with though, not a problem.:2thumbsup:
Re: "Crossover Design for New Project"
Well, HD being Atlanta based, I called the 'powers that be' available on a Saturday and was told the store should custom order it for you using the 136293 SKU # and it would normally come in on whichever the next departing truck shipment of lumber, plumbing, whatever was (usually lumber).
Understood about 'customer no service'. I'm ~equidistant from both the main store and and the nearest 'deep suburb' store with the available stock variety and especially customer service being night n' day between the two. No 'free lunch' for the extra service/selection though, the traffic both ways is typically congested during most of its open hours, so a higher trip cost in time/fuel.
GM